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	<title>Comments on: Identity Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: k4olin</title>
		<link>http://quasilaur.net/2005/12/14/identity-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, if you live in MA, your SSN IS your Driver&#039;s License Number, so you have no option on if the number is on there or not. 

Its also my college student ID number, so its on my student ID too.

*shrugs* I gave up trying being concerned about my SSN being on stuff cause its just too stinking hard to get it off of everything.  I understand why its important, and I give people who do take the effort tons of credit. I just dont have the effort in me to worry about it, so i try not to think about it too much.  In other words.... im lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, if you live in MA, your SSN IS your Driver&#8217;s License Number, so you have no option on if the number is on there or not. </p>
<p>Its also my college student ID number, so its on my student ID too.</p>
<p>*shrugs* I gave up trying being concerned about my SSN being on stuff cause its just too stinking hard to get it off of everything.  I understand why its important, and I give people who do take the effort tons of credit. I just dont have the effort in me to worry about it, so i try not to think about it too much.  In other words&#8230;. im lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Quasilaur</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: bibliofile

My SSN is not on my DL.  The I-9 form doesn&#039;t require anything but either List A (in my case, a passport) or items from List B and C (DL, SS card).  No where on the form does it state that it requires more than a passport once the passport has been submitted.  No where does it say on any additional forms that a social security card is required.

The thing is, requesting ID that has specific legal backing (like the I-9), it&#039;s perfectly legal in that case to request those identifying items, and perfectly legal for me to choose which items to submit.  Unless they have a legal reason that they can submit to me (in writing) that proves that I have to surrender such documents, they have no right (afaik) to require me to surrender those documents.  To do so would be an illegal search.

Perhaps an accent or non-white skin or whatever would constitute probable cause for the government.  I think that&#039;s pretty shady.

Especially as government is more than happy to try to assert power through fear and intimidation through requiring nail-clippers to be confiscated at airports and your *rubber soled shoes* be removed to go through the metal detectors.  These things don&#039;t make people safe, but give an illusion of safety, and show the gov&#039;t flaunting its power.  Same goes for rumored proposals for random ID checks (some of which have taken place, I know the ACLU is working on a case re: a woman who refused to submit her ID during one of these random searches).  I&#039;m not saying my HR dept is part of a gov&#039;t conspiracy, but merely that the more people that assert their 4th amendment rights, I think the better off we&#039;ll all be.

I think a lot of people still surrender information freely without a thought as to whether or not they are exercising freely their rights to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: bibliofile</p>
<p>My SSN is not on my DL.  The I-9 form doesn&#8217;t require anything but either List A (in my case, a passport) or items from List B and C (DL, SS card).  No where on the form does it state that it requires more than a passport once the passport has been submitted.  No where does it say on any additional forms that a social security card is required.</p>
<p>The thing is, requesting ID that has specific legal backing (like the I-9), it&#8217;s perfectly legal in that case to request those identifying items, and perfectly legal for me to choose which items to submit.  Unless they have a legal reason that they can submit to me (in writing) that proves that I have to surrender such documents, they have no right (afaik) to require me to surrender those documents.  To do so would be an illegal search.</p>
<p>Perhaps an accent or non-white skin or whatever would constitute probable cause for the government.  I think that&#8217;s pretty shady.</p>
<p>Especially as government is more than happy to try to assert power through fear and intimidation through requiring nail-clippers to be confiscated at airports and your *rubber soled shoes* be removed to go through the metal detectors.  These things don&#8217;t make people safe, but give an illusion of safety, and show the gov&#8217;t flaunting its power.  Same goes for rumored proposals for random ID checks (some of which have taken place, I know the ACLU is working on a case re: a woman who refused to submit her ID during one of these random searches).  I&#8217;m not saying my HR dept is part of a gov&#8217;t conspiracy, but merely that the more people that assert their 4th amendment rights, I think the better off we&#8217;ll all be.</p>
<p>I think a lot of people still surrender information freely without a thought as to whether or not they are exercising freely their rights to</p>
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		<title>By: bibliofile</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I remember of working in HR departments, the drivers license is a government-issued photo ID that proves that you&#039;re you (well, in theory anyway). The passport trumps this.

I don&#039;t remember if you&#039;re required to show your Social Security card; they probably should. (BTW, your SSN should NOT be on your drivers&#039; license.) They&#039;ll definitely ask in cases where you have a funny accent and thus may not obviously be a US citizen/allowed to work in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I remember of working in HR departments, the drivers license is a government-issued photo ID that proves that you&#8217;re you (well, in theory anyway). The passport trumps this.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember if you&#8217;re required to show your Social Security card; they probably should. (BTW, your SSN should NOT be on your drivers&#8217; license.) They&#8217;ll definitely ask in cases where you have a funny accent and thus may not obviously be a US citizen/allowed to work in the US.</p>
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